perfume ingredients for detergent soap

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check this out
ever heard of client from hell a design team in toronto ? i bike by their office sometimes
 anyway i was just going on an algorhythm tip no doubt and found this
ok
so im looking up aromatic chemicals and one of the ones presented to me, not something i searched literally was geranyl nitrile and i found on the good scents company the ifra is prohibiting this ingredient for perfume use but its being sold as a perfume ingredient. its been used on rats and rabbits when they force the animals large doses of this material until they die. so they know how toxic this ingredient is. yikes. this is the prohibiting body. so it looks like this patent for a plastic end piece for a tube packaged laundry detergent went through some revisions. perfume revisions. im not sure but have a look, its lol. client from hell you say? how bout perfume reformulations for plastic packaging specifications? axe body spray allergies causing anaphylactic shock and cant reveal formula you say?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4741856
 just for example. the material geranyl nitrile is a potential aquatic life disruptor according to the prohibiting body that tests on rats and rabbits (did they do a long term aquatic study ? i thought it sounds like its from geranium)  and according to this google patent is been used in laundry detergent since 1987...i think ... mass produced cos who has the money to patent the development of the plastic end tube packaging? wonder what laundry detergent this is? i will research the material now cos its kind of weird. im not sure what to use. obviously i wont use the rat and rabbit tested stuff if i find out. gee. let me check now. cant they test somehow in another way? i guess not. they do weird tests on humans enough as it is... oh so much to do!
the amount of scent you need to make something smell good when you whiff it from the bottle is how consumers buy things and that amount is HUGE and actually if you dilute it.... like hey ever buy a huge bottle of dish soap that your crazy bf uses up in two days ? but actually what you learned to do is dilute like a teaspoon in 2 cups of distilled water and use it for a week? i mean, wow lets just perfume the world via our kitchen and laundry sinks, only thing perfume making doesnt work that well this way. ive made so many weird combinations to know.

wow ok so this patent i found off the good scents database,
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,330,417.PN.&OS=PN/4,330,417&RS=PN/4,330,417 
is from 1928 the original laundry detergent and fabric softner, a fresh lemony aroma, apparently, or perfume. about .20% of the patent ingredient is used and the formula uses .10 in 1300 or something, geranyl nitrile has been used as a perfume ingredient for various household and personal products since 1928 and all the info theye could find was torturing rabbits and rats? consumer privacy and research and unknown cumulative toxicitiy there must be an easier way. i mistyped mist and imagine if the corona virus was actually some kind of mist or particle from some form of banned ingredient found out by the perfume industry. like some of these ingredients arent actually perfume ingredients, they just have a nice smell so the perfume industry has access to them. yikes. to know is half the battle but what if its just too long and what is a timeline anymore? maddening.

ok wtf
i just found this ban on the substance as a perfume ingredient for detergent
https://ifrafragrance.org/standards/IFRA_STD48_0053.pdf
 from 2009

is this a nitrile form from geranium>????? i dont understand how this ingredient was made. why do they use geranyl as a name ? there are many geranyl ingredients that are natural isolates that are not toxic?
like as in cyanide? like nitriles are like glues, so if its a bastard of geranium that sticks around too long, it was part of a lemony aroma that lasted in laundry soap so its not necessarily lemony and if its for a freshness it sounds like geranium doesnt it. please dont make me be the one to look this shit up i just wanted to make perfume and actually yes i realize i cant sell any of the perfumes now without looking up the ingredients to some degree, specially not blends from other companies who cannot disclose their perfume ingredients? like really my day is spent stressing on where to throw the trash vs recylcing and knowing and not doing due to other things like doing this? wth?
or wth am i actually reading ugh
ok so its banned since 2009 for found toxicity to aquatic life found out from testing on animals
its been used as a laundry detergent perfume ingredient since 1980
its still being sold today
good thing i didnt buy it!! or did i??
is this ingredient used in any of the essential oil perfume blends i buy as perfume ingredients? if its a compound from a natural ingredient forced into a specific shape for its prolonged odor for rinse off products is this in the woolzies stuff that use for dryer balls ? is it considered a distillate? ugh im the rat now. honestly i feel tortured... avatars from basenotes haunt me like ebeneezer scroodge and the fairys and godmothers of tales you wished were true before you read other things not meant for children.... hand me that baby product............200 years later mutant humans with scratch and sniff areas of the body that detect diseases in their dna matches world wide but are only found under specific constraints and the battle for privacy reigns supreme!! natural deaths for the anarchists!! vegan terrorists corona virus rabbit testing isis flag plant double take in a british gay rally using shame to shun a female reporter https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3142221/CNN-confuses-black-white-flag-covered-sex-toy-symbols-ISIS-London-gay-pride-parade.html what the actual fuuuck ?????? anyway just something to think about. i have to dig for that not actually an isis gay flag link now and link the shame post https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You%27ve_Been_Publicly_Shamed but holy hell man....

i mean wow this is just a few hours of chillin on my own using the internet and my mind, i wish i was housed like i have to go through the ads and bike around and im just so tired of traps and such. its hard gains when youre noticing specific perfume ingredients. i mean my mind is so blown and my shade spot is sunny so i have to go, before i you know, get cancer and mutate!!!!!ok i checked. its not getting cancer and mutating. its not carcinogenic to humans, its toxic to fresh water fish, like this delicious lookin bugger, lauscisus isus...say that again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ide_%28fish%29

so its a no for laundry. lethal concentration for 50% of the animals, in this case this cute fresh water fish native to europe and asia waterways according to wikipedia, is LC50 - Leuciscus idus (Golden orfe) - > 22 - 44 mg/l - 96 h (msds found here http://finoric.com/Aromatics/Geranylnitrile.htm) so that means the fish die? in 1-96 hours of 22-44 mg in what? in the lake? you use .01% in the total fragrance concentration or less than that for the total but if its millions of people  (or even say 50,000 people using this laundry detergent for 40 years in one area) using it and all the washing machine run off goes through one area which seeps into the fresh water way a few kilometers over by underground passages and then these fish all die. wtf? cos this damn geranyl nitrile? damn! how did the fish die .... is the new why did the chicken cross the road?

omg i just should stop checking the new links as i go along

now i find ok supply chains. so this one supplier i find in the u.s. gets chems from india and china and this one indian patent is getting geranyl nitrile from essential oil https://www.allindianpatents.com/patents/195658-a-process-for-the-prepration-of-geranyl-nitrile-from-lemon-grass-oil  let me just keep reading this and ... does anyone want to get me lunch? i missed lunch again. ugh.
ok so it says here
"However isolation of citral from natural source such as essential oil of lemon grass may either be achieved by fractional distillation of the oil or by derivatisation such as bisulfite formation which is followed by liberation of citral by treatment with alkali solution. Lemon grass oil (Cymbopogon pendulus fam. Grahminae) contain almost 65-70% of citral which is a mixture of two stereoisomers, viz. citral a (65%) and citral b (35%) (Sharma, J.R., Lai, R.K. Mishra, H.O. and Naqvi, A., current science 197, 56, 30; and Patra, P and Dutta, P.K. Res. & Ind. 1986, 31, 358). "

so basically you can get geranyl nitrile from a natural source and it could be called a distillate of an essential oil of lemongrass, but this isolate is a known irritant to freshwater fish and soil pollutant which would seep into fish. its got a lemony fresh odor, its similar to lemonile in name/term (which i have but havent used cos its so strong and theres a note of metal in it that i find offensive to my nose even at the smallest concentration- i was nudged by pk paulkiler in basenotes to check it out at a low concentration, even in traces, so i havent tried it in formula in trace yet, but im smelling the dilution that i would use to be able to use it in trace and i already find it offensive like you somehow smell metal on your skin and you think of tetanus)

ok so now what? one ingredient ill remember not to try to use based on the ifra ban which ill trust because i havent found the fish study. and i need to go outside and ship some items. and eat something. maybe ill have some fish. i dont know anymore.....

New Soaps

hey i realize now i cut the soaps too early.
this is a 250 gram total custom bar,

scented with the basic fougere, essential oils and veramoss and coumarin wow it smells Amazing!!!

 This is the oranger crystal fisco, turned into a bunch of tom thompsons. go figure. scented with the stationary scent (gotta call it something else now) my first synthetics only fragrance smells quite edible and cosmetic
(its now slowly turning darker beige / tan)

the stash awaits its paper boxes

some glycerin soaps i made with no recipe - the purple one is sooooo great mild and bubbly great for my hands while working on the projects i always have to wash and my terrible habit of cutting and usng the soap too early sometimes causes my hands to get extremely dried up so these glycerin soaps i make are now my fave for right away use. these and the liquid soap. oh yeah ive made two different liquid soaps!

*new update with details! *

here are the soaps on the shelf

 

this is the lava soap made of african black soap and coconut oil soap and activated charcoal (its the one that i tried to make look like lava) (actually it was an accident and i went with it) there are 3 but this was the most artistic one

strawberry pinq soap !


this was a shea butter addition soap with a lavender alcohol bottom (that line on the bottom of darker soap is the most clear and lovely soap) but i didnt temper the batch or something so the shea butter was grainy and it didnt lather that much and it smelled weird i didnt scent it or scented it strange (which happens frequently i use a weird perfume as a soap fragrance because most times the weirdness disappears and its a nice smell but this was not one of those times)

 some table scraps... my poor dog

 this is rose swirl im not sure if they look grotesque or not. im just gonna say they dont, to save my feelings.

 these are fresh lilac bars they smell great, heady, lilac, floral, not for those who dislike flower scents, this is that classic lilac scent

these are my *favorite* but i hacked the loaf very badly and all the bars are unevenly cut (so sad) these soaps were measured perfectly and theyve cured to perfection,,,,,the scent of blackberries and violet leaf this soap is divine

these are lack lye fiasco bars that finally cured into the mildest full of glycerin bars, and they are quite large, much larger than all the rest at 750 divided by 3 (250 grams per bar)

these are little tiny soaps made into a bigger tiny soap. they are shards of mainly glycerin soap trials and colouring experiments and they are super adorable i love the colours. they are made using ice cube molds.

 

these are the strawberry soaps so cute i made them spur of the moment in a burst of creative energy (but according to camh thats called mania and needs to medicated with sedation drugs? )

 these are glycerin bars that took forever to cure - too long to cure actually
they smell ok, not my fave but i love the colour, i havent tried them, i think they are super mild though i wonder about how bubbly they are!

 

this is a new process i came up with that makes the cold process soap more translucent, i called this soap happy soap and i created a lemon verbena like scent for it.

this is another glycerin soap same time i made the aqua one. its SUPER bubbly !!!! but not very clear at all. you can tell its got a different texture and it smells nice. it should smell like grapes but it smells like something sweet.

 there are also loads of soap blocks which i havent taken pictures of. im trying to batch some lye but its taken me 4 days i havent done it yet i am very distracted with trauma stress right now (no weed) and no food (hungry and cant think clearly)

Liquid Soap from Rebatch Lye Heavy Soap

Making liquid soap from rebatched lye heavy soap is super great! Only thing is you need to know how much oil to put in. Ive made two liquid soaps from a rebatch and this last one was the best!
Because I knew how much oil i forgot. But now what Ive winged it 4 times and followed with great success two online recipes i think i can eyeball the amount of extra oil i can add into the rebatch and still come away with something soapy. Alternately you can make a small amount of new soap to add in the rebatch if using over fatted glycerin river type soaps.
When you rebatch for liquid soap add alcohol to the grated soap and heat it in the crock pot. i was lucky to find an unused looking mini one at value village. i havent died from using it or any of the soaps so i guess its ok to sell soaps made using the second hand crock pot? like what if they cooked chopped up dogs that passed of old age, or road kill squirrels? would i know?
So back to rebatching the grated soap, ive been using the ratio i found online from evik and the french lady on youtube, for the extra liquids you add melted stearic acid in the end, but during the process you add in glycerin and sugar and salt and ive been using xylitol because i cant get sorbitol right now, ive also used sodium lactate, ive added ipm at the end, i only use distilled water, i use the strong ethanol with camphor because its the only one i can find at 94% proof at the shop, and dilute it for spraying, it makes the soap smell cool and as if it smelled like what evaporation would smell like. but not evaporation from hot sidewalks or car roofs. more like the evaporation of a strong mint tea, or a pot of simmering herbs, and cold. the soap to water ratio aimed for is no more than 100 grams total until the end of procedure for up to 300 grams soap for a solid soap, but for the liquid soap its up to you how watery you want it, but i add the water at the very end. im not using potassium hydroxide which is what youre supposed to use for liquid soap. i cant find it locally. so making the soap is difficult and long because i always peek and need to stir and sometimes scrape down the sides but apparently i saw on youtube you can cover the pot with plastic wrap and never stir it but im not sure i have the right pot for that. so i add first alcohol, up to 50 grams,  cover pot and let that dissolve the grated soap in heat. after a while, since my little pot is little, 15 mins or so, i check and give it a stir, spraying top of soap with alcohol so it doesnt dry out. i add a mixture of sugar xylitol glycerin salt water a bit at a time, up to 50 grams, ive used more, sparying the bubbles that form as i break up the soap paste, i keep doing this until it forms a uniform paste and cover, at some point the paste start to liquify at the base and i usually keep adding more grated soap until the pot is full, about 500 grams. until the entire thing is full, paste, and starts to liquify, i keep spraying it with alcohol and cover it and leave it covered until i can blend in melted stearic acid. i have been adding half the recommended stearic acid for liquid soap, about 20 grams for about 400 grams soap. when the soap is liquified (the top usually has bubbles which i remove because im impatient) i pour in the melted stearic acid and blend the soap in the crock pot and remelt the entire thing, occasionally spraying the top so it never dries out, then this clarifies again and then you can add water, at this point,  the soap should not be cloudy. Add preservative at cooling! No way is this soap going to go bad I want to keep it forever because it took so long to make. This is a long process that takes hours but yields an insanely mild and lovely liquid soap. I am using the melt and pour glycerin soap recipe from evik (curious-soapmaker.com) and a comment from her blog, a translation from a french youtube video for the structure and ratio concepts. I have a huge bottle of home made liquid soap now and im going to experiment with it for shampoo, and other washes because i got some SLSa powder. Its supposed to be not sls but i dont know why i got it actually, i got it to add to watery moisturizers for thick body washes. also im super excited to smell this soap.  the soap was the lemon milk (vanilla) and a creamy magnolia (new perfume blend!)
I never liked vanilla but it turns out when i use it in blends i freakin love it.
lol the soap turned into a thick gel like paste the next morning. maybe try No Stearic Acid. guess whos making some soap cream experiments today?

Laundry Soap, Cleaning Soap, All-Purpose Powdered Soap

this is laundry soap making. on the right side is making washing soda which is baking soda put in the oven, and grating a failed soap experiment, three bars with different polysorbates as a fragrance dilutant and none of them worked because mismeasured lye somehow it all became so lye heavy. like powdery rocks after a few weeks (didnt grate them all so i could observe them)

 

 this below is the soap referenced in this blog post: https://nicoletirona.blogspot.com/2018/12/laundry-soap.html  
its the pear that turned pink from the bottom of the lye heavy soap
and other parts of the failed soaps
that pic below looks like the difference between the top and the bottom.

Soap Making Update

Here are all the pics I haven't inserted in the soap making posts.
All in one Bar !

 this is my favorite soap
its almost finished cos i accidentally started using it because it smells so good

 and also because the bars are so badly cut i dont want to sell them which is unfortunate

 because despite the bad cuts

 its a ghost soap

 by accident. i mismeasured and made the mold too big and made another batch to put on top but by the time the soap and fragrance blend was ready to pour, the other soap was already gelling,

 the smell... only starting to come back now, a month later.... i still have about 5 bars

 my fave soap so far, the ideal coconut oil soap ratio

 scented with blackberry and violet leaf which i named ivy league pillow party: purple garden poison. i kind of want to incorporate it into the smoking violets .... which hasnt been fully made and is getting a rewrite.

Laundry Soap Bars by Aromatherapy Toronto. Mini Soap For Sale: Fig Scent

These are the mini fig soaps I made but forgot to measure the oil! OMG! Turns out they are great laundry and all purpose soaps for cleaning. Like a stain stick / pre-treatment bar. I had to edit the already printed label. Of course that happened.
These are the large bars from another failed batch :? meh
so the tiny bars the picture is in this (oh wait. its not)

picture below. havent taken product shots in years. a decade it feels like. 

for the tiny laundry bars pictured above they are $5 for one (thats all i weighed out the shipping for)
there are 8 mini bars. and one bag of almost 100 grams soap flake + partial whole mini bar.
find your rate here: https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/far/business/findARate

 (for one bar the package is about 45 grams maximum weight, the mini soaps are made to be 35 grams each)
its 15 dollars shipping within canada (flat rate) (might get away sending it letter mail but ask me and ill refund you if it works its $2.50)
lowest rates abroad:
its 8 dollars to the U.S.A. (california)
its 9 dollars to England & Australia (international)
you can purchase these from me directly by sending the details of your order with payment to my paypal: paypal.me/nicoletirona and/or writing me with your payment to my email nicoletirona at yahoo or the one in my profile.
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the other soaps:
Lilac superfatty bars in the white based box with the lilac in front of clouds $2.00 each they are the rebatch bars and do not smell very strongly of anything but sweet soap.

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 Lilac in the new box with triangle pattern $5 each - these soaps have orris absolute from France (Robertet) plus other scents and also Lilac fragrance oil, and they smell great but the lilac scent is not that strong.

nice reading about lilacs in this fragrantica article https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Lilac-Accord-in-Perfumery-11632.html

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My favorite scent Blackberry and Violet Leaf- the boxes dont really fit hmmph.
The large bar is 100 grams for $8 each and the tiny ones are $5 each. there are very limited amounts, 5 large bars and 6 small bars. they are not cut very well!

 These are the best soaps in my opinion, my fave texture, i measured so accurately. Sweet scent, the blackberry scent is not that pronounced but it smells so sweet and nice. also it has orris and violet leaf absolute. this blackberry fragrance also has some musk ketone in it, which i love in this blackberry mixture but its bio accumulative ? and an explosive ? guess thats why its so persistent. there are newer synthetic musks now that have no damaging properties, musk ketone hasnt been found to have damaging properties but it doesnt break down and can go from the soap to the drain to inside a fish to inside your tummy and its still musk ketone.. so im not sure about getting some, even though i really want to get some of the musk ketone as itself for my own blends, i probably shouldnt but im not sure why im doing this whole vegan strict thing because i really want some in a deodorizer. it was used in the original chanel no. 5  https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Natural-and-Synthetic-Musk-5243.html


 Man Blend these are great and $8 each extra large bar at approx 120 grams each.


also free pick up in toronto for purchases over $15. i realize these prices are kind of high but im basing that on my income (which is zero) like, if i saw this in a store would i buy this (i cant buy anything) these are probably the lowest i can price the soaps without checking my exact costing (including labour and design and studies? gtfoh) that suit my understanding of money right now. for the past few years. for my entire life. sigh. like if i was raised with an allowance or something, like an inheritance, or property, i would probably price these soaps at $15 each and think that was too low. but i used to get no allowance and have zero inheritance and have scraped away at life with the occasional boon thus far and can only afford up to $5 for a handmade soap bar. were i to spend the no money i have i would spend $5 on a really nice soap made by my neighbour. but are my soaps that nice that a welfare broke skid like me would spend 5 of their food dollars for a handmade soap? i dont know. is it better than store bought and why. im not sure.

ok i realize i dont punctuate or capitalize and if you can read this thats so great and i will send you a prize with purchase, use the code persistentadevertising because i keep seeing that damn grammerly ad is it because i turned off auto correct? oh yeah its that article i linked about how targeted advertising is ruining the world. for example i .... ill stop here. ok fig pics. actually i have a lot of mini soaps to sell i will post them here.

laundry soap

turns out ive accidentally made so much laundry soap (that hasnt been grated yet with borax and washing soda added)

for some weird reason the one large chunk of failed pear turned pink? and the mini fig soaps i made last night where i forgot to measure the oil, when i touched them today, a film of oil turned yellow where my finger touched? is it because right after cutting them they were put into their cute paper boxes right away to stack them up and look at them, giving them no air to dry off? maybe. they are all drying off in their little open boxes now, a small audience of clam shells on the shelf.

first of all, how can you forget to measure the damn oil. there are only two things to measure. three. lye, water, oil.

it was oil i had poured out and didnt measure and it looked like 520 grams of oil but i guess it was about 470. this is my guess. will the soap last or will it turn into a chalky white piece of lye like the other failed soaps that get turned into laundry soap. i dont know. i do know i can threaten the soaps now if they misbehave, and say things like "if you're not nice, i'll turn you into laundry soap"

i want to buy more fragrances for the soaps. because im starting to like mixing the fragrances and understand how such a tiny amount of a specialty blend from a brand name company turns my essential oil blend into a lasting perfume. the fragrance molecules are cool. specially the brand name ones that dont cause cancer and three eyed fish and stuff like inhibit growth of certain delicate ecosystems that rely on a trace amount of certain plant matter and processes to thrive. like a human. like the endocrine system, endocannabinoid system, our hormonal balance, our chemical balance that our mind produces.

so its tough figuring it out and making the laundry soaps cos its such a moral dilemma even though before i started making my own stuff i would always use the cheap brand or the best smelling brand, which for sure is using the cheapest fragrance chemicals too, the three eyed fish ones. so i have to be ok with my homemade three eyed fish laundry soap and just be like, ok, try to do better next time and read the sds and believe it and study all the oils and absolutes first.

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edit: here are the fig soap for sale as laundry soaps

 the tiny laundry bars pictured above they are $5 for one (thats all i weighed out these shipping prices for)
there are 8 mini bars. and one bag of almost 100 grams soap flake + partial whole mini bar (in case anyone wants to buy it)
find your rate here: https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/far/business/findARate

 (for one bar the package is about 45 grams maximum weight, the mini soaps are made to be 35 grams each)
its 15 dollars shipping within canada (flat rate) (might get away sending it letter mail but ask me and ill refund you if it works its $2.50)
lowest rates abroad:
its 8 dollars to the U.S.A. (california)
its 9 dollars to England & Australia (international)
you can purchase these from me directly by sending the details of your order with payment to my paypal: paypal.me/nicoletirona and/or writing me with your payment to my email nicoletirona at yahoo or the one in my profile.